In this episode we begin our discussion of how God DID — and thus, STILL DOES! — use women in the five-fold ministry and other church leadership roles. We are building upon the foundation previously laid last week in Handmaidens of the Lord (Part 1): The Biblical Limits of a Wife’s Submission by extending into the next logical discussion regarding godly Christian women.

Historically, people (i.e., mostly men, but even some women) have claimed that Paul forbade women from having leadership roles in the Church based on this passage that he wrote to Timothy by the inspiration of the Spirit of God:

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

(1 Timothy 2:11-15, NKJV)

A surface reading of most English translations, including the one above, seems to indicate that this is a “slam dunk” case against women ever being in leadership roles, much less active ministry. The only common exception to this errant view is found among those who admit that women can at least teach other women, as well as children. But was Paul really forbidding women in general ministry or leadership over men?

No, he was not. In fact, this passage is NOT discussing ministry of church government as the primary topic, but as a related secondary subject to the main one, i.e., that of family order. Paul was explaining to Timothy (and us) the explicit biblical truth that “WIVES” should not “…teach or have authority over their [own] HUSBANDS.” Stated another way: A woman’s position in the church, whether it be as a minister, elder, deacon, etc., is subordinate to her role as a wife. Thus, for example, if a woman is the pastor of a church, she’s the shepherd of the flock of God, but NOT of her own husband. She’s still to submit herself to his leadership as a part of the family order.

And yes, within the video above, I PROVE these facts in SEVERAL ways from the Scriptures! 😀 

Whether a person is willing to accept these facts or not is another thing entirely, of course. “Traditions” can be hard addictions for some people to break, particularly when they face family/peer pressures or they have vested self-interests in keeping their false doctrines. (See Matthew 15:1-14 and Mark 7:1-13 for Jesus’ explanation of this subject.) However, if you are open to hearing what the Word of God REALLY says on this subject, then this video will bless you tremendously.

NOTE ONE: An important related article of mine to consider as preparation for watching the video above (or, alternately, as a follow-up for further clarity) is True Doctrines ≠ Contradictions on our main ministry website. Therein, you will find the irrefutable truth that is behind one of the ways we KNOW with CERTAINTY that the passage from 1 Timothy above CAN’T POSSIBLY mean women are forbidden from entering the ministry. Using the Bible and valid logic, this supporting article explains that God cannot EVER self-contradict. Therefore, doctrinal contradictions (i.e., such as those created by false anti-woman preacher doctrines) are proof-positive that a given doctrine is wrong/false/incorrect. A related article that explains how logical analysis of the Scripture is the ONLY way to achieve correct doctrine (i.e., including the doctrine that godly women HAVE BEEN and thus ARE STILL used by God in ministry) is found in my post Four Characteristics of Sound Doctrine.

NOTE TWO: Toward the end of the video episode embedded at the top of this page, I mentioned that I would look up a particular passage of prophetic Scripture from the Old Testament that tells us that women are to be proclaiming the Good News of Jesus Christ today. (I did not have it ready to share at the time, so I said I would post it in the text here below the video for your review.) However, I have instead decided to record ANOTHER (i.e., third) video for this short series on this important topic. So I will incorporate it into that further discussion instead.

In my next episode on the “Handmaidens of the Lord” I will elaborate further on the Greek text of 1 Timothy, extending even into chapter 3 and related passages. Again, I will also emphasize what the Word of God says about women preaching in the Last Days. I also intend to tidy up a few “loose ends” that I feel were left undone in this video above to ensure that this subject is covered adequately for the benefit of everyone. 🙂

The comments section is open below. Feel free to post any questions that you may have. If you do so before I record the next session, I may answer them directly in the next video. Otherwise, I will try to answer them in the comments thread.

Until then…

“Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.”

(Ephesians 6:24, NKJV)

Always in Jesus,

– Rich Vermillion

 

7 thoughts on “Handmaidens of the Lord (Part 2): Women in Ministry

  1. If you have any questions for me to answer in my next episode, comment in this thread so that I see them before I record again. 🙂

  2. FYI: It appears that the comment form was malfunctioning due to a captcha error. I believe that is fixed now, everyone. So please feel free to try to comment again. Thank you for your patience. 🙂

  3. Update: I ran out of time this weekend and, thus, cannot record the third episode right away. However, this may turn out to be advantageous if we have a conversation on this subject here on this page. That way, I can be sure to incorporate your input and questions into my third (and likely, last) video of this short series on Handmaidens of the Lord, whenever I have the time again to get back into production.

    • UPDATE September 2, 2017: I have decided that the two videos on Handmaidens of the Lord, coupled with my text article on the same subject, is sufficient to cover these topics for now. Therefore, I am not planning (at this time) to do a third video for this particular series.

      Stated another way: I have limited time to produce videos; this subject was covered extremely well in two videos and an article; there’s really no need to do a third video to tie up the loose ends and hit the few remaining points that I had in mind to explain.

      I do plan to write an entire book on this subject at some point, however. So, you can be sure that I will eventually publish the additional information that I intended to share, to include the prophecies of Scripture that foretold a time when women would be proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 🙂

      Always in Jesus,

      – Rich

  4. Listen to John Hagee sermon on forgiveness. You have no business in Copeland’s garbage. How do you think that makes you look? Dark..

    • Okay, let’s analyze your comment here for a moment…

      (1) If I have no business being “in Copeland’s garbage,” then why are you here discussing my actions with me? This page isn’t about Copeland at all, so you’ve decided to dig up “garbage” where none was to be found. Thus, you CLAIM that it is wrong to address what others do, even CLAIMING that is is evidence of “unforgiveness,” but you are yet DOING exactly what you claim should NOT be done!

      In logic, that’s called an informal fallacy of a “double-standard.” However, please notice what Jesus called your behavior here:

      ** Matthew 7:3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

      In essence, what you have done by coming on here to complain is: (A) You have nullified your own criticism by demonstrating with your DEEDS that you DO indeed believe people should be confronted for wrongdoing; (B) You have thereby JUSTIFIED what I have done by PROVING yourself in agreement with such behavior; (C) but you have also proven yourself to be hypocritical, for you are denouncing what you are doing yourself; (D) and you have falsely accused me, for if what I have done ELSEWHERE regarding the Copelands (I haven’t even mentioned them on this website to date) is justified by what YOU have done (and it is), then your accusations are necessarily FALSE by default.

      (2) So now, let me ask YOU your own question: “How do you think that makes you look?” It makes you look rather hypocritical and foolish, frankly. And given the fact that you are falsely accusing me, it makes you look rather “dark” spiritually, as well.

      (3) And NOW, let’s take a moment to consider what Jesus Christ did with respect to people who defrauded people through religious means, as the Copelands (and Hagee) do:

      ** John 2:13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” 17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”

      And what about His apostles?

      ** Acts 8:20 But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.”

      ** Acts 13:9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.” And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand. 12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had been done, being astonished at the teaching of the Lord.

      Thus, the apostles likewise PUBLICLY rebuked those in error. Oh, and Jesus and His apostles TAUGHT us to confront those in error publicly too:

      ** 1 Timothy 5:19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses. 20 Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear. 21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.

      ** Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

      ** Matthew 18:17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

      So were Jesus and His apostles in “unforgiveness” about those things? Were they teaching error? If they were, then Jesus isn’t the sinless Savior and His apostles were frauds, and thus, NOBODY can be saved through Christianity at all!

      (Therefore, I kinda think it’s safer to assume you are simply confused and that Jesus and His apostles were the ones who are correct. 😉 )

      Thus, what I have done in publicly confronting the Copelands for their multi-million dollar frauds, heresies, etc., is quite in line with the examples of Jesus and His apostles. Ironically, again you have PROVED that you believe in doing such things too, because you attempted to confront my alleged “error” via your comment.

      Now, what I have done in publicly rebuking the Copelands for DOCUMENTED sins and by WARNING OTHERS to stay away from them, is very congruent with the Scriptures. Moreover, I am actually PRACTICING WHAT I BELIEVE, for I not only TEACH others (like Jesus and the apostles did) to confront sin when it is appropriate, but I also LIVE that way. In short, I am NOT a hypocrite, for my words and deeds MATCH.

      You, on the other hand, say one thing and do another. You apply one set of rules to yourself, and another set entirely to others. You, therefore, are being hypocritical, as I said before, even while you are PROVING you actually agree with my methods, by doing something similar.

      It’s rather fascinating, actually. You falsely accuse me of wrong and unforgiveness, while demonstrating the same behaviors that you condemn. (In psychology that’s known as “projection.”)

      (4) Oh, and John Hagee is a wolfish heretic. As he and the Copelands like to do, they teach a TWISTED form of “forgiveness” that warps the minds of people like you, i.e., they teach things in hypocrisy because they simply want to keep people like you deceived longer. In fact, here you are behaving exactly like they want you to do…hypocritically, and using your criticism toward the wrong people. You defend the wrongdoers while attacking those who are trying to hold them accountable. Yet, you think you’re being noble…when you’re just be used.

      It’s rather sad, really.

      But here’s more on Hagee’s multiple heretical doctrines if you wish to get informed and be set free. First, you can watch John Hagee DENY that Jesus Christ is the Messiah in one of his own commercials:

      And then here are multiple other resource pages about Hagee the Heretic:

      http://www.apostasywatch.com/john-hagee/

      http://www.apologeticsindex.org/200-john-hagee

      In conclusion, I would suggest that you actually read your BIBLE and stop listening to heretics like the Copelands and Hagee. Following wolves has a horrific ultimate consequence, as Jesus noted when He pointed out that “MANY” are following errant leaders to perdition, while relatively “FEW” are on the road that leads to eternal life through the genuine Gospel:

      ** Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are MANY who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are FEW who find it.

      15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

      21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 MANY will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

      Please do NOT be counted among the “MANY” who follow such selfish wolves to perdition! Your soul is at stake here. Don’t play games with religion or you’ll discover only when it’s too late that you were never saved or had gotten off into damnable heresy:

      ** Galatians 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

      The reason that I took the time to analyze your self-refuting commentary was because I genuine care about your soul. Don’t play games with God or His Word. You are following wolves, as I have DOCUMENTED regarding the Copelands on https://kennethcopelandblog.com already in great detail, and as the website above reveal about Hagee.

      Your itching ears will be your damnation if you don’t repent. I’ve done MY job in confronting you BIBLICALLY, as Paul told Timothy to do…

      ** 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

      …and now it is up to you to decide if you want to remain self-deceived and ignorant, or to do your research and get the facts so you can be sure you’re on the path that leads to life.

      Always in Jesus,

      – Rich Vermillion

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